[000:00:00;133] WE DISCUSS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH
[000:00:01;201] BARACK OBAMA, HOW HE REALIZED
[000:00:03;903] THE MAGNITUDE OF THE OFFICE AND
[000:00:04;537] HOW HE USES THE ROOM.
[000:00:06;373] EVERY PRESIDENT MAKES THE OVAL
[000:00:09;142] OFFICE THEIRS.
[000:00:09;542] WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MAKE THIS
[000:00:10;210] YOURS?
[000:00:10;510] >> WELL, A LOT OF THINGS.
[000:00:12;412] WE HAD THESE INCREDIBLE FLAGS
[000:00:14;514] INCLUDING THE AMERICAN FLAGS.
[000:00:15;915] THEY WERE IN DIFFERENT ROOMS AND
[000:00:17;083] THEY WERE ALWAYS BEING PUSHED
[000:00:18;184] AROUND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
[000:00:19;085] ENOUGH ROOM.
[000:00:19;652] I SAID, HOW BEAUTIFUL.
[000:00:22;422] THE BASE, THE FLAGS, ARMY, NAVY,
[000:00:25;325] MARINE CORPS.
[000:00:26;760] I MEAN, JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
[000:00:29;129] JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
[000:00:30;463] COAST GUARD FLAG OVER HERE.
[000:00:31;898] AND I SAID, WELL, LET'S SEE HOW
[000:00:33;466] THEY LOOK IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
[000:00:34;934] SO THE FLAGS ARE UP.
[000:00:36;569] THE PICTURE OF THOMAS JEFFERSON
[000:00:38;705] I PUT UP.
[000:00:39;439] THE PICTURE OF ANDREW JACKSON I
[000:00:44;544] PUT UP.
[000:00:44;878] BECAUSE THEY SAID HIS CAMPAIGN
[000:00:45;512] AND MY CAMPAIGN TENDED TO MIRROR
[000:00:46;146] EACH OTHER.
[000:00:48;782] SO WE DID A LOT OF -- ACTUALLY,
[000:00:50;450] WE DID A LOT OF WORK.
[000:00:53;386] IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT LOOK THAN
[000:00:55;155] IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
[000:00:58;058] >> WHAT WOULD FRED TRUMP --
[000:01:00;860] >> THAT'S MY FATHER.
[000:01:02;495] AND I HAVE ONE COMING OF MY
[000:01:04;197] MOTHER.
[000:01:04;531] >> WHAT WOULD HE SAY?
[000:01:05;265] >> HE'D BE PROUD.
[000:01:06;566] HE WAS A GREAT GUY, GOOD HEART,
[000:01:07;767] TOUGH GUY.
[000:01:08;101] GREAT HEART.
[000:01:08;501] AND HE'D BE VERY PROUD.
[000:01:12;405] >> YOU SAID THE WHITE HOUSE IS
[000:01:14;941] LIKE A COCOON SOMETIMES.
[000:01:16;242] TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
[000:01:19;012] >> WELL, I WAS VERY WELL KNOWN
[000:01:21;481] AS YOU UNDERSTAND PRIOR TO THIS.
[000:01:24;184] BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE --
[000:01:25;485] THAT WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD.
[000:01:27;053] THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE REALLY
[000:01:28;822] IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD.
[000:01:30;757] SECRET SERVICE, THEY'RE
[000:01:31;324] PHENOMENAL, BUT THEY ARE ALL
[000:01:34;694] OVER THE PLACE.
[000:01:35;361] I MEAN, THEY ARE THE REAL DEAL.
[000:01:37;363] THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
[000:01:39;032] IF I WANTED TO GET OUT, DRIVE MY
[000:01:40;934] CAR TO A CERTAIN LOCATION AND GO
[000:01:42;836] DO SOMETHING, YOU CAN'T DO THAT
[000:01:43;470] ANYMORE.
[000:01:45;805] I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT
[000:01:46;973] FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT
[000:01:48;475] ALL OF THAT I UNDERSTAND.
[000:01:50;977] I GUESS I ASSUMED THAT THAT
[000:01:51;911] WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU WON.
[000:01:53;546] AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK
[000:01:54;747] WE'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB AND
[000:01:55;448] I ENJOY IT.
[000:01:55;849] >> TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU -- YOU
[000:02:00;854] DO A LOT OF YOUR WORK IN HERE.
[000:02:02;055] >> I DO.
[000:02:02;622] I'M HERE A LOT.
[000:02:03;456] >> WHY IN HERE AND NOT OTHER
[000:02:05;892] PLACES?
[000:02:06;226] >> I FEEL VERY WARM TOWARD THE
[000:02:07;560] OVAL OFFICE.
[000:02:09;362] IT'S A GREAT SYMBOL.
[000:02:09;796] ALSO, WHEN I HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE
[000:02:13;700] THAT WE WANT TO NEGOTIATE -- FOR
[000:02:16;436] INSTANCE, I WAS NEGOTIATING TO
[000:02:17;971] REDUCE THE PRICE OF THE BIG
[000:02:20;173] FIGHTER JET CONTRACT, THE F-35
[000:02:21;074] WHICH WAS TOTALLY OUT OF
[000:02:21;608] CONTROL.
[000:02:24;144] I WILL SAVE BILLIONS AND
[000:02:25;745] BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF
[000:02:26;312] DOLLARS, AND CALLING FROM HERE
[000:02:29;449] AND MEETING HERE AND HAVING
[000:02:34;454] MEETINGS ON THAT CONTRACT I
[000:02:35;655] THINK GIVES YOU GREAT ADDITIONAL
[000:02:37;490] POWER IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE
[000:02:39;025] TRUTH.
[000:02:39;359] >> SO WHAT --
[000:02:39;826] >> OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME IN,
[000:02:41;628] BIG PEOPLE FROM BIG COMPANIES
[000:02:44;697] HAVE BEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE 50
[000:02:45;598] TIMES.
[000:02:50;537] SOMEONE YOU KNOW, THE HEAD OF A
[000:02:52;572] MAJOR COMPANY, HAVE YOU BEEN TO
[000:02:56;876] THE WHITE HOUSE?
[000:02:57;310] YEAH, 50 TIMES.
[000:02:57;710] SO I SAID YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE
[000:03:00;079] OVAL OFFICE.
[000:03:00;446] HE SAID, NO, I HAVE NEVER BEEN
[000:03:01;214] IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
[000:03:02;582] I BROUGHT HIM IN AND HE STARTED
[000:03:03;483] TO CRY.
[000:03:04;050] THIS IS A TOUGH PERSON, BY THE
[000:03:05;318] WAY.
[000:03:05;618] CAME INTO THE OVAL OFFICE AND
[000:03:07;487] STARTED TO CRY.
[000:03:08;121] NOW, THIS IS A PERSON WITH A
[000:03:10;823] MAGNIFICENT OFFICE WITH
[000:03:11;624] BEAUTIFUL GLASS WALLS AND
[000:03:12;625] EVERYTHING.
[000:03:12;959] YOU UNDERSTAND.
[000:03:13;526] YOU HAVE SEEN THOSE OFFICES
[000:03:16;596] BEFORE.
[000:03:16;930] BUT THERE IS SOMETHING VERY
[000:03:19;365] SPECIAL ABOUT THIS SPACE.
[000:03:19;899] >> SOMEONE GOING TO BEHAVE LIKE
[000:03:21;701] THAT IN HERE, HOW DO YOU KNOW
[000:03:24;704] THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TELLING YOU
[000:03:26;339] YOU WANT TO HEAR?
[000:03:27;106] >> YOU MEAN WITH THE TEARS?
[000:03:29;576] >> NO, THEY SEE THE OVAL OFFICE,
[000:03:32;212] THEY SAY YES, MR. PRESIDENT, WHO
[000:03:34;480] TELLS YOU NO?
[000:03:35;748] >> I THINK WHEN I HAVE FOREIGN
[000:03:36;716] LEADERS HERE, NO MATTER WHAT
[000:03:39;786] COUNTRY, NO MATTER HOW BIG, WE
[000:03:42;255] HAD CHANCELLOR MERKEL.
[000:03:43;256] WE HAD THEM ALL.
[000:03:43;656] THEY COME HERE.
[000:03:44;023] THEY STILL TAKE NOTICE AT THE
[000:03:47;694] OVAL OFFICE.
[000:03:48;127] >> RIGHT.
[000:03:48;695] THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
[000:03:49;562] >> THEY MEAN IT.
[000:03:50;029] >> ONE OF THE WORRIES ABOUT A
[000:03:51;731] PRESIDENCY EVERYBODY TELLS YOU
[000:03:52;865] YES.
[000:03:53;166] NOBODY HELPS YOU FIGURE OUT
[000:03:54;767] WHERE YOUR BLIND SPOTS ARE.
[000:03:56;236] HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU FIND
[000:03:57;870] THAT?
[000:03:58;171] >> I GUESS IT'S ONE OF THOSE
[000:03:59;539] THINGS IN LIFE YOU HAVE TO
[000:04:00;807] FIGURE OUT.
[000:04:01;174] MAYBE I HAVE BEEN FIGURING THAT
[000:04:01;808] OUT ANYWAY LONG BEFORE I GOT
[000:04:05;578] HERE.
[000:04:05;878] BUT SOME THINGS YOU HAVE TO BE
[000:04:06;512] ABLE TO PIG YOUR OUT.
[000:04:07;547] BUT THIS IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
[000:04:11;884] THE WHITE HOUSE IS SPECIAL.
[000:04:13;286] THE OVAL OFFICE.
[000:04:13;686] VERY SPECIAL.
[000:04:16;055] >> ANY OTHER GADGETS YOU HAVE
[000:04:17;657] GOTTEN INSTALLED HERE SINCE YOU
[000:04:18;291] CAME?
[000:04:18;558] >> WELL, EVERYONE THINKS THAT
[000:04:21;361] THIS IS VERY OMINOUS RIGHT HERE.
[000:04:21;995] SEE THIS?
[000:04:24;364] THESE ARE PHONES.
[000:04:25;331] THESE ARE VERY -- YOU KNOW, VERY
[000:04:26;199] SECURE PHONES BUT THIS IS A VERY
[000:04:30;069] OMINOUS LOOKING BECAUSE OF THE
[000:04:31;804] RED BUTTON.
[000:04:32;538] >> WHAT DOES THAT GET YOU --
[000:04:33;606] >> WELL, THAT GETS YOU A COKE OR
[000:04:35;275] GETS YOU A PEPSI.
[000:04:37;310] >> OH.
[000:04:37;644] >> ONE OR THE OTHER.
[000:04:39;612] ANY OTHER COLA COMPANIES I
[000:04:40;847] SHOULD MENTION, RIGHT?
[000:04:41;514] IT GETS YOU SOMETHING.
[000:04:44;817] BUT EVERY TIME I PRESS THAT,
[000:04:48;187] PEOPLE -- THEY'LL BE SITTING
[000:04:50;189] DOWN.
[000:04:50;857] I'VE CHANGED THE WAY IT WORKS.
[000:04:52;558] I'LL HAVE PEOPLE SITTING HERE.
[000:04:54;861] USED TO BE THEY NEVER HAD CHAIRS
[000:04:56;562] THAT ANYBODY CAN REMEMBER IN
[000:04:57;163] FRONT OF THE DESK.
[000:04:58;231] I HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY.
[000:05:00;300] I HAVE BEEN AT THE DESK, I HAVE
[000:05:02;602] PEOPLE HERE.
[000:05:03;336] USUALLY THEY WOULD SIT ON THE
[000:05:04;671] SOFAS.
[000:05:05;138] BUT THIS IS THE RESOLUTE DESK.
[000:05:06;839] A GREAT DESK WITH A PHENOMENAL
[000:05:07;640] HISTORY.
[000:05:10;276] MANY GREAT PRESIDENTS WERE
[000:05:11;444] BEHIND THIS DESK AND THEN SOME
[000:05:14;547] CHOOSE OTHER DESKS.
[000:05:14;981] THEY HAVE ABOUT SEVEN DESKS THAT
[000:05:16;482] YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE, BUT I
[000:05:17;684] LIKE THIS.
[000:05:18;151] THIS WAS FDR, IT WAS RONALD
[000:05:18;718] REAGAN, IT WAS KENNEDY.
[000:05:22;488] IT'S -- SOME GREAT PRESIDENTS
[000:05:24;090] BEHIND THIS DESK.
[000:05:24;891] >> GEORGE W. BUSH SAID THE OVAL
[000:05:27;193] OFFICE IS AROUND IS BECAUSE
[000:05:29;429] THERE ARE NO CORNERS TO HIDE IN.
[000:05:31;030] >> THERE'S TRUTH TO THAT.
[000:05:31;564] THERE'S NO CORNERS.
[000:05:36;269] THERE IS AN OPENNESS, BUT
[000:05:38;104] THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE.
[000:05:39;005] I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY OUT
[000:05:39;839] THERE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
[000:05:41;174] >> WHAT HE MEANT -- IT'S ALL
[000:05:47;613] SECURI
[000:05:49;749] SECURE.
[000:05:50;049] >> YEAH.
[000:05:50;383] THAT'S TRUE.
[000:05:50;783] >> WHEN DID IT HIT YOU, THE
[000:05:53;052] MAGNITUDE OF THE OFFICE AND
[000:05:53;619] REGARD WILL Z O -- REGARDLESS OF
[000:05:55;321] WHAT HAPPENED, THE BUCK STOPS
[000:05:56;222] WITH YOU.
[000:05:56;556] >> IT'S THE BIGNESS OF THE
[000:05:57;957] OFFICE, IT'S THE BIGNESS OF THE
[000:05:59;359] TRANSACTIONS AND THE DEALS.
[000:05:59;926] YOU LOOK AT THE ORDER PLANES.
[000:06:05;098] IT'S BIGGER THAN ANY ORDER OF
[000:06:06;999] PLANES.
[000:06:07;333] YOU LOOK AT AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
[000:06:09;369] THAT COST $10 BILLION AND
[000:06:11;104] $12 BILLION TO BUILD AND
[000:06:12;739] SUBMARINES THAT COST $5 BILLION
[000:06:14;340] TO BUILD.
[000:06:15;641] IT'S THE MAGNITUDE, BUT MOST
[000:06:17;577] IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, THE
[000:06:18;177] DECISION IS LIKE WHEN I MADE THE
[000:06:18;811] DECISION TO GO WITH SYRIA, THE
[000:06:22;849] 59 TOMAHAWK MISSILES,
[000:06:26;686] UNBELIEVABLE TECHNOLOGY.
[000:06:29;188] WE HAVE UNBELIEVABLE TALENT.
[000:06:30;456] BUT THOSE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS.
[000:06:32;024] THOSE AREN'T LIKE DECISIONS THAT
[000:06:33;025] I'M GOING TO BUY A BUILDING.
[000:06:33;693] >> TOUGH WHY?
[000:06:34;060] >> BECAUSE IT'S HUMAN LIVES.
[000:06:37;263] >> KILLING PEOPLE?
[000:06:37;663] >> KILLING PEOPLE.
[000:06:40;933] AND YOU CAN KILL THE WRONG
[000:06:41;501] PEOPLE TOO.
[000:06:41;834] YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS GO OFF
[000:06:44;337] AND THEY END UP IN A TOWN OR
[000:06:44;937] THEY END UP IN A CITY AND YOU
[000:06:47;907] HAVE ANOTHER TRAGEDY ON YOUR
[000:06:48;508] HANDS.
[000:06:48;775] SO THESE DECISIONS ARE
[000:06:53;479] UNBELIEVABLE.
[000:06:53;846] YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE
[000:06:55;281] IMPORTANCE BECAUSE IT'S HUMAN.
[000:06:56;883] IT'S KILLING.
[000:06:57;283] I HATE IT.
[000:07:00;920] BUT THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE.
[000:07:02;155] >> HOW DO YOU LEARN THAT SKILL?
[000:07:03;990] WHO DO YOU CALL TO SAY WHAT IT'S
[000:07:05;792] LIKE?
[000:07:06;125] > THERE'S NOBODY YOU CAN CALL.
[000:07:09;996] >> DID PRESIDENT OBAMA DID YOU
[000:07:10;630] ANY ADVICE THAT WAS HELPFUL?
[000:07:11;431] >> WELL, HE WAS NICE TO ME, BUT
[000:07:13;032] AFTER THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME
[000:07:14;267] DIFFICULTIES.
[000:07:14;667] SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
[000:07:19;439] YOU KNOW, WORDS ARE LESS
[000:07:19;972] IMPORTANT TO ME THAN DEEDS.
[000:07:21;207] YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH
[000:07:22;508] SURVEILLANCE.
[000:07:22;875] >> DIFFICULTIES HOW?
[000:07:23;876] >> WELL, YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED
[000:07:24;510] WITH SURVEILLANCE.
[000:07:24;911] AND I THINK THAT WAS
[000:07:28;448] INAPPROPRIATE.
[000:07:28;848] >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN --
[000:07:29;382] >> YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT
[000:07:30;583] YOURSELF.
[000:07:30;950] >> WELL, THE REASON I ASKED, YOU
[000:07:33;119] CALLED HIM SICK AND BAD.
[000:07:35;788] >> LOOK, YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT
[000:07:36;489] YOURSELF.
[000:07:36;823] HE WAS VERY NICE TO ME WITH
[000:07:37;390] WORDS BUT -- AND WHEN I WAS WITH
[000:07:41;461] HIM.
[000:07:41;727] BUT AFTER THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO
[000:07:43;062] RELATIONSHIP.
[000:07:43;463] >> BUT YOU STAND BY THAT CLAIM
[000:07:45;865] ABOUT --
[000:07:46;265] >> I DON'T STAND BY ANYTHING.
[000:07:46;999] YOU CAN TAKE IT THE WAY YOU
[000:07:50;203] WANT.
[000:07:50;503] EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT
[000:07:52;104] AND FRANKLY IT SHOULD BE
[000:07:53;739] DISCUSSED.
[000:07:54;106] I THINK THAT IS A VERY BIG
[000:07:54;674] SURVEILLANCE OF OUR CITIZENS.
[000:07:58;511] I THINK IT'S A VERY BIG TOPIC
[000:08:00;179] AND IT'S A TOPIC THAT SHOULD BE
[000:08:01;781] NUMBER ONE AND WE SHOULD FIND
[000:08:02;381] OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
[000:08:06;953] >> I WANTED TO FIND OUT THOUGH,
[000:08:10;223] YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
[000:08:11;157] UNITED STATES, YOU SAID HE'S
[000:08:12;458] SICK AND BAD.
[000:08:13;059] >> YOU CAN TAKE IT ANY WAY YOU
[000:08:14;694] WANT.
[000:08:14;994] >> I'M ASKING YOU.
[000:08:15;761] YOU DON'T WANT TO BE FAKE NEWS.
[000:08:17;763] I WANT TO HEAR FROM PRESIDENT
[000:08:18;364] TRUMP.
[000:08:18;664] >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME.
[000:08:19;365] >> WHY NOT?
[000:08:20;433] >> I HAVE MY OWN OPINIONS.
[000:08:21;767] YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN OPINIONS.
[000:08:22;568] >> BUT I WANT TO KNOW YOUR
[000:08:23;836] OPINIONS.
[000:08:24;203] YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
[000:08:24;804] UNITED STATES.
[000:08:25;204] >> THAT'S ENOUGH, THANK YOU.
[000:08:25;771] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.